Episode 155 – A Podcast About CinemSins with Jeremy from CinemaSins

This week Kalvin is joined by special guest Jeremy Scott from the CinemaSins YouTube channel! Kalvin and Jeremy discuss the origins of CinemaSins and what it’ like to sin movies, the state of movies and film-making today, mental health awareness and advocacy in media, and much more! Check out the links below for more from the CinemaSins team and for Jeremy’s new memoir Original Sin: From Preacher’s Kid to the Creation of CinemaSins available for pre-order now and in stores 5/18/2021!

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Full Episode Transcript Available Below:

Kalvin 0:05
Hello, and welcome to a podcast about something where each week we dive deep into whatever it is we find interesting. I’m your host, Calvin. And joining me as a very special guest today from the cinemasins YouTube channel is Jeremy Scott.

Jeremy 0:18
Hello. Thank you for having me.

Kalvin 0:22
I’m really excited to be here. I was just telling you before we start recording that, you know, I’m a huge fan. I’ve been watching cinema sins for like, eight or nine years now. So this is a great opportunity. And I’m glad to have you. I’m just afraid, like the ding is going to be going off in the back of my head this whole time. Every time you say something, I’m going to be waiting for the ding at the end of your silence people tell me that a lot.

Jeremy 0:44
Maybe I should carry around a bill.

Kalvin 0:46
Maybe that might be a good idea. So for listeners who are new to you, why don’t you tell them what the sentiment sins YouTube channel is and kind of where it came from and what goes on there.

Jeremy 0:57

It’s a place for obsessive nitpicking of movies. In the name of fun, it was started by my my good friend and business partner, Chris Atkinson. And I’m back in December of 2012, we had been dabbling in several YouTube ideas. We’ve written about YouTube a lot, we were very interested in making our own videos and everything we tried was movie related. But we we had a round of failures before we settled on this format, that ended up taking off. And so basically, we just go through a movie and pick out the quote unquote, sins. Sometimes as soon as a mistake, or continuity error. Sometimes a sin is just an observation, pointing out how many lamps are in a room. But it’s all the name of fun. You know, basically, we’re big mystery science theater, 3000 fans. And we watched movies together at the movie theater, when we both managed there together. And we would just, you know, talk throughout the movie and make jokes and comments. And that sort of planted the seed for what would become cinema since.

Kalvin 2:19
Yeah. And so I’ve through doing this podcast, I’ve talked to a lot of other content creators, and it’s usually whatever state they’re in. And content creation is never where they started, right? It’s always, you’ve always felt this need to create content. And, you know, even going back to when I was in college, me and one of my friends, we just make these silly YouTube videos and try and get people to watch them. And you know, I’ve tried several times at writing different blogs and things like that, and I don’t have the time or energy to put into that. And I landed on the podcast, and it’s really been helpful to for that creative outlet. And yeah, it’s, it’s always interesting to see kind of all those steps that people take to get to where, okay, this is the thing that I’m going to keep going with, rather than, oh, I tried this, it didn’t work. I tried this. It didn’t work. But But now I finally found something.

Jeremy 3:07
Yeah, absolutely.

Kalvin 3:08
So you had a couple other projects outside of cinema since your first novel was the evils? Why don’t you tell listeners about that?

Jeremy 3:17
Sure. The tables is a superhero series, where the main characters in my story are disabled individuals. And they start out as teenagers, and they end up in college by the third book. And then the fourth book, which I’m writing now, there’ll be adults with their own kids. But the I was interested in the idea of a superhero story, where someone was caught in between two worlds like, you know, usually, we either see the human perspective of the superheroes like Jimmy Olsen, or we see the superheroes perspective, like Superman, but what about somebody who isn’t really accepted in either of those realms? And so my characters all have disabilities that directly impact their ability to use their superpowers. My main character is blind. But his superpower is telekinesis moving things with his brain. But how will he do that without being able to see and so the story is about how they refuse to be told they can’t be heroes and work together, find ways to maximize their abilities to save the day. And it’s not a runaway hit or bestseller, but I get good feedback from readers, especially readers with disabilities who are happy to see the representation there. And that is all I need. That is good stuff there. So I’m going to finish the fourth book here in a few months. And wrap it up. Yeah,

Kalvin 4:58
no movie dealing coming for the table. yet though, not all, I have started I started reading the the first one. And I think it’s really interesting. It’s it’s kind of a mix of sky high meats. You know, any other superhero story? And I, I really like I think it’s well written and I forget sometimes as I’m reading it, or I do it on audiobook, so as an audiobook. So as I’m listening to it, I forget that the main character is blind sometimes, and then it just kind of hits me when he’s like, he can’t understand how something works, or he can’t understand who’s speaking at times sometimes. And then I’m like, why can’t you? Why can’t you figure this out? And I’m like, Oh, yeah, and it hits me. And it’s, it’s written in a way where, you know, the blindness is never used as a crutch, or, or none of the disabilities that any of the characters have are used as a crutch, but as a, just something they’ve learned to deal with. So they’re at that point in their life, where they know how to deal with it. But now they have to deal with that disability and come to grips with their superpowers, which is, which is really cool.

Jeremy 5:59
Yeah, yeah, that

was it was it was I’m disabled, I have less than half of my hearing remaining. And I also wrestle with the anxiety and depression. And it was important not to use that stuff as a crutch not to make it the main trait, even of my characters. It’s there. And the disabilities play a part in the story in the action, but it’s not. It’s not something I wanted to overwrite, if you will. I didn’t want to take advantage of those conditions as a writer. But, you know, I did struggle myself to remember that he was blind, I’d get notes from my editor, like the 20th chapter going, um, he can’t see this because he’s supposed to be blind.

I’ll be like, Oh, yeah, I

Kalvin 6:48
forgot about that. And so coming up soon, in May, you have a new book coming out, which is more of a memoir. So can you tell us a little bit about that? And then we’ll move into our five fundamental some things about cinemasins.

Jeremy 7:02
Excellent. Yeah, it’s called Original Sin, from preacher’s kid to the creation of cinema sins. And it’s part humor part memoir part. I guess, advice. There’s one whole chapter devoted to YouTube advice, because if there’s one thing I get asked a lot, it’s for YouTube advice. So I wanted to make sure I put actual usable, actionable advice in the book somewhere. But the rest of it is basically hopping between three phases of my life, when I was a preacher’s kid, when I manage movie theaters, and then cinema sins, and sort of talking about my relationship to movies in each of those three phases. And there are some what I think are fun, numerous stories of trips that Chris and I have taken since cinnaminson started. But it really is just a love poem to movies. And, you know, trying to tell my story. And how, how I have evolved over the years as a lover of film, it’s super R rated, though, I want to make crystal clear to anybody that reads the labels, which is targeted at young adults, that the original sin is full of swearing. And it’s not bleeped like the sins videos, so people should be aware going

Kalvin 8:23
well, I’m we’re no stranger to to swearing on this podcast. So if you need to let it fly, go ahead. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. I’m excited. That sounds really interesting. I’m excited to kind of hear from that. Because I think especially with the YouTube portion, that that can go into any content creation, a lot of the things that works for YouTube works for everything works for podcasting, it works for writing. And, you know, there’s, there’s gonna be some stuff I’m sure that is very specific to YouTube. But there’s also a lot of if you’re in the content creation business, it all works in the same ways.

Jeremy 8:54
I hope so. I hope so a lot of the YouTube advice that I give is, is what people might term common sense. Like, whatever you want your video to show up in search results for you should use those keywords in your video title. Like that seems like common sense, but people don’t do it. And so hopefully, people who are really looking for a leg up, we’ll find something usable there. And everybody else might just have a chuckle.

Kalvin 9:21
Yeah. So that should be really good. When’s the release on that?

Jeremy 9:25
On May 18, that’s just just under a month away.

Kalvin 9:28
Yep. And so this will release in about a week and a half from today. So it’ll be even closer by then. Excellent. Excellent. So we are going to go right into our five fundamentals, some things about cinemasins we’re gonna talk cinemasins we’re gonna talk the actual sins, your outlook on movies, in general, all the sins spin offs, because there are some other channels out there now and then we’re going to talk about some mental health awareness and advocacy within media, because I know that’s a big part of cinema sins and the labels and I’m sure your your new book as well.

Jeremy 10:02
Yeah, yeah.

Kalvin 10:04
So we already kind of talked about where the idea of sending movies came from. But more to that point, was it difficult for you to go from just, you know, going to the movies watching movie. And now you’re into this critique or sinning mode? Because it’s not always straight critique. It’s also, you know, like you said, it’s nitpicking at times. Yeah,

Jeremy 10:24
it’s a, I don’t find it difficult to go between, and Chris would tell you the same thing. It’s just that we both have, he’s got more experienced than me. But we both have 10 years plus experience managing movie theaters. And when we were working at the theater, they were using film, it wasn’t all digital, like it is today. So the job of the projectionists, which is what we were is to take the six, seven reels of a movie that come in cans, and you have to build the movie into one big print that goes on the platter. And then we were paid to watch that movie to make sure we hadn’t made any mistakes. It was glorious. And when you do that, every Thursday, and you watch two or three, the next weekends, brand new movies every Thursday night, you see so many of the same common tropes. And it really does sort of spoil you, in a way. And I have to be careful how I talk about this because I don’t want to be condescending. It’s just that I’ve seen so many movies, it’s hard for a movie to surprise me. And when a movie does surprise me, a good example would be something like parasite from a couple years ago, where I had no idea what was coming next. It completely removes any snark, sarcasm, anything like that, that might be lurking in my brain somewhere. And I don’t want to make jokes, I just want to watch and enjoy. But when a movie is following these tropes I’ve seen over and over again, and I know who the killer is 10 minutes in, it becomes easier for the sin hat to slip on. And I will sometimes get in trouble with my wife for making jokes about a movie that is not surprising. But I don’t find it difficult. Like we’ve seen my favorite movie ever, which is the matrix. we’ve sinned, a lot of great classics that I love. And, you know, it’s just a different way of looking at it, right? If you want to enjoy a movie, you’re not overanalyzing everything, you’re just watching. But if he shift gears and say, forget being entertained, I’m just gonna nitpick this thing, where can I find silly things to point out, it’s just, it’s a different way of viewing. I call it a hat I take on and put on and take off the sun hat as needed.

Kalvin 12:58
That makes sense. And I’ve kind of gotten into the same thing. We do our movie superlatives, where we take, you know, a different type of movie and give out awards that kind of follow because all these different types of movies, the one we’re doing this week, or this month is boxing movies. So all these boxing movies, they follow the same general platform and you know, you can pick out these things that are the same. So what we’re trying to do is find the ones that do it best and worse. And as I’m watching, you know, 15 boxing movies within a month. It’s very easy to pick those things out and be like, Okay, this did this good. This did this bad. Yep. And no shit. Like you said, shift gears and then there’s, you know, I’ll watch ones that I haven’t seen before. Like, I just watched Cinderella man, which I never watched before. And I wasn’t a huge fan of it, but I could tell the things immediately that it was doing good and what kind of path it would follow because I had watched nine other boxing movies before Why do

Jeremy 13:49
they make so many boxing movies? I don’t even watches it anymore.

Kalvin 13:54
I like boxing movies, but they are all it’s like rocky was made and then they had to make rocky 20 more times. Yeah. Baby was made and they had to do that a few more times. And they Yeah, they just can’t there are a lot of interesting stories within boxing because I think they can focus on a singular person. Whereas like if you’re talking if you’re making a football movie or a basketball movie, you’re going to you have to focus on the team but boxing you can tell human interest plus sports so you kind of get more people there I think Yeah, yeah. Rather than just a sports movie

Jeremy 14:27
there’s something about the mano a mano kind of a boxing situation that I think is it’s easy to tell a good story Underdog Story any

Kalvin 14:41
face you have the space to tell the hero side and the villain side if you want to you have the space to tell you know the heroes tragic backstory if you need to. There’s I think there’s a lot more space in a boxing movie than other types of sports. Yeah, but I agree that there’s there’s a lot of boxing movies there are and there Very similar and I was I just finished watching creed and Cree tune on like, I was reading through the IMDb and you know Sylvester Stallone said he’s walking away from the rocky franchise. He’s not gonna do it anymore. He’s handed over Michael B. Jordan and I’m just like, Where else can they go? What? What other story can they tell with creed now at this point, he’s he’s done the Drago fight he’s done the you know from humble beginnings. He’s done. I’m too good. And I need to be brought down a peg. I think they’ve done everything in his two movies that they didn’t Rockies first for? Yep. So it’ll be curious to see what they do.

Jeremy 15:32
Maybe his maybe his wife will box in this next move?

Kalvin 15:35
Oh, that’d be good. def, wave boxing? That’ll be interesting. Maybe he can train his kid? I don’t know. That’s actually did. Uh, so back to cinemasins is and you’re talking about you kind of take the hat on, take the hat off. I’m sure you get a lot of criticism about you know, what is cinema sins? isn’t an actual film critique, or you guys just trying to be funny? Or does it fall somewhere in the middle? What is your outlook on that?

Jeremy 16:02

that’s a good question. And because it because truly it is a it is all of that, right? There are some actual film critiques in our sins videos. But there’s also a lot of stupid jokes. There’s a lot of intentionally ignorant stuff we make we make actual mistakes sometimes when we’re making these videos. So it really is all of it rolled up into one, you know, my instinct is to say, you know, we’re not, don’t take us seriously. If you’re in film school, don’t watch our videos, thinking it’s going to help you make better movies. I, I would never encourage that.

Kalvin 16:51
Because you went out to try and make a movie that had no, since it would be a very bad movie,

Jeremy 16:57
it would be a very bad movie. Yeah. And, and, you know, I get that. People are very binary, right? We want to put a label on things. And I think that’s what frustrates people who hate our content is that our content doesn’t want to be put in a box. It doesn’t want to be just film commentary. It doesn’t want to just be humor. It doesn’t. It wants to be all of that at once. And you know what, I guess the best way to explain it, as I’m rambling is we’re playing a character right that we used to, we pitched it to each other as the Simpsons comic book nerd. guy who wants the comic store and knows that worst episode ever. What if that guy started a YouTube channel about movies? I feel like everybody has a friend who thinks they know everything. And that friend sometimes does know more than other people, but often they’re talking out of their ass. And this is that guy. He lives in the basement of his parents house. He thinks he’s right about everything he says regarding movies, he has no room for anyone else’s opinion. And sometimes he’s right. And sometimes he’s wrong. And sometimes he rambles. But this is not a real person. These are not our real opinions.

Kalvin 18:20
No, and you can you can tell that, that you guys watching movies and sitting movies, there’s a real love for movies there and and that you all actually enjoy watching them. That doesn’t mean that you can’t point out flaws and cliches while you’re watching them. because like you said, they all follow a pattern. And that’s what makes movies enjoyable. Because we go and it’s comfortable. If every movie was completely different, there were no patterns, we would never be comfortable just sitting and watching a movie, there might be some enjoyable ones. But I don’t, I don’t think it would be you’d be able to kind of just settle in as movies are supposed to be a passive hobby. You’re just supposed to kind of let it happen to you. And you know, I think for me, watching movies, it makes it more fun to kind of have that little ding go off. When I see one of those cliches or those things that pops up, I have that little ding go off my head. And whenever I watch a movie for the first time, the first thing I usually do after the movies over is go to cinema sins and see if you guys did a video on it. Yeah, and I kind of see if if your Danes match all the things that I found and usually are much more you cover it a lot better than I do you find a lot more sense than I ever do.

Jeremy 19:34
Well, I’m professional at a

Kalvin 19:37
job. So let’s talk about the actual sins to you in your mind which are the most detrimental sins that a movie can commit. And and how do those hurt movies?

Jeremy 19:49
Um, well,

the biggest sin for me and we phrase it different ways, but is when the movie breaks its own rules. You don’t have to, you don’t have to tell me rules, right? You could be the fast and furious and just let your characters be superheroes and never explain gravity if you want. But when a movie says this is this is these are the rules. This is the the ghosts can see the humans, but humans can’t see the ghosts, but then it breaks that rule for a jumpscare. That’s the biggest sin, in my opinion. Because you’re the Creator, you’re, you’re the movie. The movie doesn’t have to make any rules if it doesn’t want to follow them. But once it does kind of fall over them. So that’ll pull me out of a movie faster than anything. But see, what are some other detrimental sins? I don’t know about detrimental. I think that’s probably the most detrimental because, like, I

Kalvin 20:50
get that, you know,

Jeremy 20:52
there’s a lot of harmless sins that movies make all the time, like the pronoun game where somebody says, I’ve got to tell her, the other character says, who just so that the first character can then have a reveal of the net. People don’t talk like that in real life. They just say I got to tell Susie. But that’s not detrimental to a movie that’s not going to take a movie off the rails or keep me from enjoying it. Generally, it’s just that whole following follow your own rules, especially if there are superpowers. This is why some of the Marvel stuff gets frustrating for me, because I don’t know who’s stronger than Who?

Kalvin 21:28
I know. It seems to fluctuate between movies to

Jeremy 21:31
Yeah, it

does. And so I just I just need to know what the rules are and then see them followed. That’s, that’s the biggest sin a movie can commit, I think is not doing that.

Kalvin 21:42
That’s completely understandable. And I agree with you if you set up those rules, keep going with them if you know if otherwise, don’t like you said Fast and Furious is a great examples of movies that just don’t care. Yeah, they don’t care what your rules are. They don’t care what the rules of the actual world are. They want to make something that’s fun and entertaining. And for the most part, they do it. Yeah. How many times do you watch a movie before you send it or before you write the sins? But that has changed over the years.

Jeremy 22:13
There are there are now six of us at team sins. And we don’t all right for every episode. So some of the load is taken off by having other writers. So don’t feel it makes sense quite so stressed to catch everything myself because Chris or Aaron, somebody else might catch something I missed. In the beginning when it was just me and Chris. I walked lame is six times. And I hate lameness. And mostly I had to watch it over and over because so much of the dialogue is singing in that movie. And it’s not easy to catch. These days, I probably only watch a movie once or twice when I’m singing it. But that includes a lot of stopping and scrubbing back and rewatching scenes. But we’ve refined our process over the years, we’ve added some extra writers. But in the beginning man, I would watch it three four times on average.

Kalvin 23:15
Yeah, that I would think that would be kind of the level you’d need to be at to catch everything and it makes sense with six people to that you don’t have to watch it three or four times anymore that you watch it once another person watch it once another person watches it once you can, that three or four times is now spread out across three or four people. Yeah, yeah. So what is your favorite sin to give out?

Jeremy 23:36
This changes all the time? I’ll be honest. I’m going to give you two. There’s one in one of the Resident Evil movies which I’ll be honest, they all run together for me. I don’t know which one is which. But there’s a scene where I’m blanking on her name.

Kalvin 23:53
Mila Jovovich?

Jeremy 23:55
Yes, Mila Jovovich rides a motorcycle through a stained glass window into a church to save people who are in the church from the zombies. And Chris wrote something along the lines of because we do a lot of Deus Ex mokena sins like the God from the machine, and he wrote, this is the like, Deus Ex mock up on a literal machine into a church. I forget his exact wording, but it was one of the best sins he ever wrote. But lately, I’ve been laughing a lot about when we did Nash national treasure, too. There’s a scene in there, we’re ready Travis’s in there looks like at a party at the President’s state or something.

Kalvin 24:38
National Treasure to and quite some time.

Jeremy 24:40
Yeah, well.

And this was the first time we ever did this. We’ve done this several times since but he looked old and ragged, and I almost didn’t recognize them. So the sin we wrote was like we started writing a discount. Randy Travis like that guy looks like Randy Travis, but then halfway through the sin, the narrator realizes it’s actually him. So it comes out discount Randy Holy shit. And it just made those make me giggle every single time. I don’t know why. But you asked me to monitor all have two different sins to gain.

Kalvin 25:12
I always enjoy the roll credits, just because it’s it’s so egregious most of the time when it happens in a movie. Yeah. And that’s when the character says the name of the movie within the movie. And you know, that was something I always noticed before I started watching cinemasins. And that just like giving it that name recognition made it a lot more fun to get it’s fun to me

Jeremy 25:33
to realize how many people have been doing their own joke of that kind of moment in movies. Like before, I was even out of high school I read that Penn and Teller used to do like a movie club in New York with friends, famous people. And whenever the movie would say the title, they would all stand up. And do I do a standing ovation real briefly and then sit back down. That was their version of the roll credits joke. But it people have probably been joking about title drops in movies. I guess as long as there have been movies.

Kalvin 26:07
Yeah, I know. Family Guy did a good one too. Or I think Peters like sitting in a movie at one point. And they they say the name of the movie, huh? They said the name of the movie they like gets up and walks out. So is it more difficult to sin films that you actually enjoy? Or is it easier because you can you have a love for him? So it’s, it makes more sense.

Jeremy 26:30
It’s easier, man because I honestly don’t even think it’s about my love for the movie. It’s just how many times I’ve seen it. So when we did the matrix, I had seen that movie 50 times. So it’s very easy for me to tune out the plot, and any other flashing lights and kung fu and look for nitpicky things in the background. It’s also easier. Sometimes I’ll be able to write sins before I even start watching the movie because I know the movies. So well be like, Oh, I’m definitely going to send this part I’m going to send this part

Kalvin 27:12
where I want you to haven’t seen a million times like when parasite came out. You said that was something that really surprised you and you really enjoyed is that

Jeremy 27:19
that’s a good point. And that’s more difficult. You know, because I can enjoy a movie I’ve only seen once or twice, and I don’t have that familiarity yet. And so I’m more likely to get sucked into just enjoying the movie than I am to continue writing my sounds. But when you give me a terrible movie when you give me the fourth Transformers movie, that’s a slog, man, yeah, let’s start out hating that. And I have to watch two and a half hours of it.

Unknown Speaker 27:49
Yes, much longer.

Unknown Speaker 27:52
Well, yeah, seriously.

Kalvin 27:55
So what was the in your mind? What’s the hardest movie you’ve had to sin? either because it’s too good or because it’s too hard to sit through or both?

Jeremy 28:04

well, I’m gonna go with the original Pete’s Dragon. This is a fairly famous scenes video amongst our fans because of how angry I got watching it. I had never seen it. And we were sending it in in order to time it with the remake that was coming out. And that movie is bad. It’s so bad. It’s I’ve never

Kalvin 28:32
seen it either. So I probably haven’t seen the sins video on it because I usually don’t watch them for movies I haven’t seen

Jeremy 28:37
it’s it’s irredeemably bad. And, you know, it resulted in a lot of humor. I was able to take that anger at the movie and put it into my writing. I started breaking character calling out Chris for scheduling this movie and it’s probably the the angriest I’ve ever gotten in real life. And you know as the as the narrator of cinema since it’s just a slog. It’s not even a long movie. But those are those are always the hardest is it’s when it’s just there’s no, there’s nothing routine, I think, yeah, there’s no good, you can’t find anything to cling to. And you just have to keep going through the mists the worst.

Kalvin 29:21
I’ll have to check out that video. I remember we did try and watch it one time with my kids. It’s probably two years ago. And we made about 15 minutes before that.

Jeremy 29:32
I hate it. I hate it so much.

Kalvin 29:35
So let’s shift kind of into movies and you know what? Where the movie industry is and where it’s going because I think we’re actually at a very interesting time to have this conversation because it’s it’s very in flux right now. But before that, what are your favorite movies to like the favorite types of movies favorite genres to watch and then conversely which ones are your favorite to sin

Jeremy 30:00
I am a sucker for a good high concept sci fi movie man. They they don’t even have to hit the mark. Lights. Yeah. Or that Justin Timberlake movie in time. I love watching that movie. It’s

Kalvin 30:18
not a fun movie. Yeah.

Jeremy 30:20
It’s got such a great concept. What if What if time were money? And you know a lot of the best high concept movies come from Philip K Dick stories or what have you. But yeah, that Ben Affleck movie paycheck out. Testing is also based on Philip K. Dick. That’s probably my favorite genre to watch. Because sci fi opens up so many possibilities. storytelling, humanity, space. Time travel, you just did the so much that you can do. And then my favorite genre to sin is probably we haven’t done a ton of this, but I’m going to go with old school classic Disney animation. Interesting. When we did the original Cinderella, I had a blast. I had so much fun. And that movie is bonkers. That movie spends way more time on mice than you ever remember. Yeah. But and then we did a we did an event here in Nashville where we had maybe 50 or so fans that had come where we watched wanna say, what’s the other one Sleeping Beauty. And we just kind of had mics and we just kind of live rift while that movie was on. That’s another movie. That’s absolutely bonkers. Yeah,

Kalvin 31:44
it is a rough one and my daughters. They went through a phase where Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty were the favorites and those were on the TV a lot.

Jeremy 31:55
Yeah, that’s something about those that era of movies. That, you know, they weren’t. They weren’t even really going for realism at all. But I don’t know. I just had so much fun. I would love to dive back into all of those cinnamyl

Kalvin 32:14
I mean, Disney plus is right there. You got all the access you need. Yeah, that’s

Jeremy 32:17

Kalvin 32:20
Yeah, for me, I’m in the past, I’ve been a big fan of comedies, but I don’t know if it’s just there haven’t been that many good comedies to watch anymore. And I like that you guys don’t usually sin comedies, because they’re so outrageous to begin with the point, the point of sending them kind of wears off right away. But I agree with the kind of high sci fi or I’m more on the fantasy side of it. If you give me somewhat of a magical world, I’m always gonna be there for it. And I like watching this I like watching the sins on the movies. I like I really enjoyed watching sins on tennis, and you know, 10 it still baffles me no matter how many times I’ll watch it. But it’s interesting, and it’s a good movie. Oh, yeah. I did. I liked on the tenant sins. And it took me way too long to notice this that when john David Washington reversed you guys reversed the counting. Yeah. Which was a really cool like little easter egg. And I it took me three minutes to notice. I’m like, are they taking sins away for everything right now? And I’m like, Oh, I get it. I get it.

Jeremy 33:28
That’s probably if I could show you the script. That’s probably the wildest looking script for any scenario with all the notations and colors and lines. And it was it was bonkers to put together.

Kalvin 33:42
What was the one that broke the sins counter?

Jeremy 33:45
The video? You mean it was one of the Transformers? So

Unknown Speaker 33:49

Jeremy 33:50
maybe it fast and furious. Honestly, those fast and furious and Transformers movies minds won’t be the same thing to me. But it was one of them. I’ve been Fast and Furious actually. might have been that ate Fast and Furious. Yeah. Chris came in narrating and he’s like it’s

Kalvin 34:10
so I enjoy the Fast and Furious movies moreso than the Transformers after like actually, the first Transformers is the only one that I would enjoy and you know, make myself sit through again. But I can watch the Fast and Furious because I think I understand what they are a little bit better. Yeah. Transformers like I said, they keep making them longer and longer. And then they bring in Mark Wahlberg and I don’t think your franchise is ever doing good when your your next big step is to bring in Mark Wahlberg.

Jeremy 34:36
Yeah, well, I completely agree with that state,

Kalvin 34:38
which he’s fine and things. But if this is your, okay, we’re coming back with a bang. And it’s Mark Wahlberg and dinosaur transforming monster or robots. It’s not going to work. I just I think Fast and Furious does a better job of just keep rolling. They keep it right at two hours. Most of the time. They know they’re outrageous. They lean into the outrageousness of it worse. Transformers tries to be this, like, thought provoking thing that just doesn’t exist within it.

Jeremy 35:05
Yeah, no, I agree. I agree.

Kalvin 35:08
So let’s try and leave the pandemic year out of this next talking point for a minute. How have you seen the movie industry change over the past, you know, 10 1520 years outside of the pandemic, because the pandemic has kind of made, things make a jump forward, that was a little unexpected. But the industry was changing before that.

Jeremy 35:28
I mean, the biggest, for my, from my perspective, I can’t speak to the entire industry. But it’s been the transition from film to digital.

Because I

I’m one of these guys that spent so much time building movies and splicing prints that I see it as an art form. And Chris and I both took a great deal of pride and threading up a projector and providing an excellent presentation for customers. We didn’t like it if the sound was off, or the focus was off or what have you. And, you know, now, those those kind of theatres are essentially gone. You still have them in pockets, but it’s mostly your your indie theaters, your art house places, all the cineplexes have gone full digital. Which, you know, is is a big win for the studios and not as much for the theaters. So theaters can save a little bit of money, I guess on staffing, but the studio’s don’t have to ship physical prints all around the country anymore. Used to be when we worked at a 27 screen theater. So Thursday, Wednesday, and Thursday, we get maybe 1520 cans, film cans delivered from two different companies. And then that those would all have to be built and turned in into actual movies, people could watch. And so they, they’ve completely changed all of that now it’s all satellite distributed. And it’s a little bit of the magic is gone. I think for me, I’m going to show my age, but I miss the noise on the print, I miss the scratches and the cigarette burns and all the little ticks that come along with an actual physical film going through a projector. You know, it’s certainly a better presentation overall. Certainly better for the industry on all ways. It’s just sad for me, that something that I spent so much time perfecting and doing well and taking pride in is just gone. Just not done anymore. Right. But, uh, you’re probably not even asking about film versus digital, you probably I never

Kalvin 37:59
thought about it that way. But that that makes a lot of sense. And I’m thinking as you’re talking and kind of, you know, waxing waxing nostalgic on it. I’m thinking of one of my first favorite movies, the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie from 1990, obviously, and watching that on VHS versus like, now I go watch it on blu ray of kind of those imperfections that you’ve fell in love with that, that made the movie feel more real. And I mean, it’s about giant turtles who fight crime with karate, but it and I get like VHS is definitely not the same thing as film and a projector and all of that. But it I I can kind of see where you’re coming from of the work you put into, you know, building those rules out and making that movie a whole thing out of these, you know, six disparate canisters that now you have to put together. Yeah. And it you know, it’s it’s weird that that both things have existed within 30 years. And that you know that it jumped that quickly. It is like no, we’re going to do it this this easy way. And screw all these people have spent their whole lives trying to work one way and building building this knowledge base that just doesn’t exist anymore.

Jeremy 39:13
Yeah, yeah, I guess the biggest way the industry has changed outside of that would just be in terms of box office that it’s it’s a global industry. Now. It’s not just the domestic industry. So a movie can open here. Like I think the most recent Pirates of the Caribbean movie didn’t do much in the US but it made so much money in China, it doesn’t matter.

Kalvin 39:39
Right. So now I’m gonna make

Jeremy 39:40
a sixth and so they’re making movies differently. Now because of that they’re making movies for a global audience. There’s sometimes like Iron Man three had extra scenes in it in China that worked in the American version, which I think is a fascinating thread we could pull on for an entire other podcasts. Yeah. How is it how well When is movie a movie if it’s different for two different audiences, anyway? So yeah, when the studios are looking at the returns there, they’re no longer just looking at the domestic take or even looking at the domestic take. First, they’re looking at the global take, and that will and has, and will continue to change the content of the movies. When I think it’s for the better,

Kalvin 40:27
I think it can be. But it’s also something that’s led to nine Fast and Furious movies so far. 10 one coming soon, it’s led to this many transformers, it’s led to Pirates of the Caribbean, I think representation and you know, making movies for a more global audience is a good thing and an important thing. But when it’s just we’re going to turn out this franchise crap because people hate to see it. Yeah, I don’t there are people in China pay to see it, then I don’t know that that’s necessarily a good thing. And that that was kind of my thought when when thinking of this talking point was that the franchise is a nation of movies of everything has to be a franchise, you know, the death of the mid budget film doesn’t exist anymore. My wife and I constantly have this argument. She thinks there aren’t, you know, there’s no longer any good movies made everything’s CGI fast. Or you know, this indie darling. And it’s impossible to find anything in the middle because no one’s making Forrest Gump or The Shawshank Redemption anymore. Hmm. Those things, they’ve gone to TV screens, right? Those are now prestige dramas, on HBO, or on Netflix or what? Yeah, yeah. And the funny thing about it is, you know, she’ll bring up everything that gets released in the theater, and that you’d want to go see, it’s one of the big three kind of steal from the Falcon and Winter Soldier. Recently, it’s aliens, androids, or wizards, those, those are what people go pay money for, for whatever reason, and she doesn’t, she doesn’t like those types of movies, because they’ve saturated the market at this point, every movie, that that looks like it’s gonna be a big release is one of those things. Yeah, her argument to make this point was like, well, they don’t make jaws anymore. They don’t make a name, or they don’t make Terminator anymore, which is true. But those also all fall kind of in though, you know, jaws is a monster, but everything else falls in those big three. And it’s just they don’t, they don’t make them out of lower budget anymore. They throw 50 million into it and get as many good actors as they can as much CGI as they can. And I think at the time, those three movies which are you know, some of the greatest releases ever, were out of the norm, everything was this kind of slow moving you godfather type movie, and then those kind of broke the mold. But now, the the mold is those movies. So it’s every single movie, so you have to do something completely different to break the mold. And usually now those are low budget indie movies, which there’s a lot of good there. They’re just hard to find.

Jeremy 42:45
Oh, yeah. Yeah, you got to work for

Kalvin 42:47
Yep. And I try and tell them like there’s there’s good movies, we can watch those. We can watch those, like, I’ve never even heard of it. I’m like, Well, I know. You got to trust me at some point. So do you think the franchise’s ation and, you know, go into a global market? You kind of said that that is looking better for an industry? In in what ways? Can those things help the movie industry?

Jeremy 43:14

I just think from a philosophical standpoint, the idea of making movies for a more diverse population is good. You know, where, as you said, where it where that strategy doesn’t work is when the studio’s go throw a bunch of Transformers movies at us because they do really well overseas. But, you know, you get I also think it led directly to something like parasite, which we talked about before, which won Best Picture as a Foreign Language Film, which is historic. And I can’t help but wonder if the globalization of film isn’t working both ways, right? Where Americans are now getting exposed, or maybe we’ll get exposed to more diverse types of films. As as film goes more global but the franchise stuff is the worst man if you know anything about me, you know? I can’t stand unnecessary sequels. Some stories cry for a sequel. I’m not gonna say they don’t. But these days everything gets a sequel everything Yep. The when I knew it had changed for the worse was when hangover got three movies.

Kalvin 44:42
Yeah, that was that was a terrible idea. Comedy sequels never worked to begin with. And read it just like if you like these people put them in a different movie. Think of a new idea. Both hangover one or hangover two and hangover three were literally rehashes of hangover one. I don’t know why you make that sequel. Like, why are you making the exact same movie, especially now when you know movies, movies are going digital at that point, everybody can very easily own whatever movies they want. I would much rather just watch the hangover again, then watch the hangover two or the hangover three.

Jeremy 45:17
Yeah, it’s just money, man. It’s just I mean, the studios are always going to chase money over artistic quality. If they can have both. That’s great. You know, they love to crow about having a best picture on their roster. But what they really want at the end of the day is the dollars. And you know, that’s why we get this. That’s why that’s why we’re seeing so many reunion shows started with Netflix and the Fuller House garbage. But now like Disney is doing it with the Mighty Ducks show.

And it’s it’s all about who what, what properties do we own the rights to that we don’t want to pay extra for? Let’s make that and put it on our streaming service.

Kalvin 46:03
Let’s pay everybody, you know, a million each to come back. Sit down for a couple hours. And Bill.

Jeremy 46:10
Yeah, and no,

I get it. The Americans are simple people, they’ll if they have nostalgia for something, they will go back to the reunion or the reboot or the sequel or what have you. And I’m not. I’m not saying it doesn’t make sense from $1 standpoint. It does. It’s just, you know, from a creative standpoint, from somebody who, you know, I’m somebody who writes books, I write my own stories. Like I’m not saying they’re awesome, but every time I see something like, indecent proposal to or whatever, that’s not real, by the way. I die a little insight is there’s people out there like me who are writing original stories, and they’re just, they’re not getting as much of a shot right now, because everybody’s trying to develop IP they already own. Anyway, I’ve rambled enough on that. I

Kalvin 47:07
say like Seinfeld is one of my all time favorite shows I watch it pretty much every night. I could quote any line from any episode ever probably. And you know, we I had a conversation with somebody a couple days, a couple weeks ago, asking if I’d want to see a Seinfeld reunion. I’m just like, no, like, there’s no way they can bring it back like I can. I can watch Seinfeld, whenever I want. The thing Larry David did on curb was pretty good. Where they did an episode within an episode kind of thing. And that’s all I need. I don’t I don’t want to live with those people where they are in 2020. Because I don’t know that it’s interesting. So I don’t get it either. They’re doing a friends reunion too. And it just doesn’t make sense.

Jeremy 47:51
No, I mean, and again, that’s HBO, Max and Warner Brothers is to friends. And so they’re like, well, this will get people to walk right?

Kalvin 48:01
Down on everything. Like even in the Space Jam trailer, we see every piece of IP, you know, lining up around the basketball court to watch the brown playing. It’s like what the eyes and say,

Jeremy 48:11
that’s why we got Snyder’s Justice League cut is that they already owned it. They already own the IP, we pay out 70 million. And we’ll make more than that back in subscribers on HBO max. I mean, but in an era before the streaming wars, that movie never gets released ever.

Kalvin 48:33
Since a brand new ballgame. So what do you think we talked a lot about bad sequels. What do you think makes actual good sequel? When do those come across good sequels?

Jeremy 48:44

Kalvin 48:46
out of the like six of them that exist. Yeah, I

Jeremy 48:49
mean, there’s not a lot. All right. A surprisingly good sequel is psycho. Two, isn’t it? I am, I’m a sucker for the Bourne movies. And I have always claimed that ultimatum, the third was the best of the bunch. Because I feel like by that point, well, if they just do so much cool shit in that movie. It’s they’ve already established the character so we don’t need quite as much. I guess character development, we can just let him be awesome. It’s it’s really rare. And I think in general, not every story needs to be extended aliens is probably a classic example where James Cameron came in and said, Okay, I’m going to do the exact opposite of what Ridley Scott did. Instead of a tense, intimate suspense film. I’m going to make this huge machine gun action film. Set in the same universe. That one really works.

Kalvin 49:56
That kind of did the same thing. You know, Terminator, the first Terminator Basically a stalker movie and then Terminator two is now it’s an action movie.

Jeremy 50:04
Yeah, it’s

another great example also James Cameron. Ironically enough,

Kalvin 50:09
he hasn’t come out with Titanic too yet though.

Jeremy 50:14

Kalvin 50:14
19 avatar sequels are not going to be that they’re not going to have that much new and interesting things to say. He is chasing a delusion, I think with these avatar sequels, but I don’t think he’s actually doing anything.

Jeremy 50:28
He’s really think he’s just twiddling his thumbs. The studio

Kalvin 50:31
just keeps giving him money. He’s like, yeah, we’re filming underwater man. Yeah, I think a sequel has to add in some meaningful way. Whether it’s character development, or you have to do something different. If you come out here and you just rehash the same exact plot. What’s the point? What do you do? It’s

Jeremy 50:47
like a,

it’s like a cover song. Right? A good a good cover song. Shouldn’t sound exactly like the original. You should add your own thing to it when you cover a song to make it something new. That’s what a sequel needs to do. You take the inspiration from the original but you tweak something important. And give us a different film.

Kalvin 51:05
Yeah, and we get a lot of what I like to call clickbait sequels now is that people like the first movie that it was never planned to have a sequel? And now because people liked it, we’re just gonna keep adding on to it knives out is a great example of that. That’s out good movie. Great standalone doesn’t need anything else. We don’t need to extend that story. Any but now we’re getting a sequel and maybe like three sequels on Netflix. Yeah,

Jeremy 51:26
yeah. Why?

I don’t I also don’t understand why they’re gonna call it knives out to or knives out anything the knives were about the family in the first movie who had the big wall of knives? It’s the second mystery whatever you do with the second murder, it’s not going to have anything to do with knife. So why are you calling it knives out?

Kalvin 51:46
it because the the next ones, they’ll just follow the Daniel Craig character. I’m assuming we’re not going back to this whole family.

Jeremy 51:52
Right? No, that in fact, I think I read that. That’s exactly what they’re doing. He’s gonna be in another part of the world solving a different murder. And so I’m just like, you only call it a, you know,

Kalvin 52:02
that might be okay. Because you can tell you can tell a different story. And you just have this one character back rather than let’s go back now. So now, you know, what’s her name? From Halloween?

Jeremy 52:16
Oh, Jamie Lee Curtis. Jamie.

Kalvin 52:17
Yeah, you’re not going back to this family saying Jamie Lynn Curtis’s died. Now let’s figure out what happened to her. That would be a problem.

Jeremy 52:24
I agree. I agree.

Kalvin 52:27
And I kind of like Brian Johnson. I think he’ll put some effort into it. Other than you know, some of these other ones, like transformers are fast and furious where they’re just keep churning them out. But I don’t I don’t think it’s necessary in any way.

Jeremy 52:39
No, no, I agree.

Kalvin 52:40
So what are some upcoming sentence cinemasins videos that you can talk about that you’re anticipating? Hmm.

Jeremy 52:48
I’ll see what I can talk about here. All right. Well, I’ll talk about I’ll talk about one that I just finished writing that won’t be out for months, so people will probably forget about it. I suppose. In honor of this year’s US Open golf tournament. We have decided to sin Happy Gilmore. Oh, and I’m a sucker for early Adam Sandler stuff. That more absurdist Happy Gilmore, Billy Madison. Yeah, that’s my favorite Adam Sandler. And I’ve seen I’ve seen Happy Gilmore plenty of time, but putting on the sin hat for that movie, and I’m a golfer myself. And that movie doesn’t know crap about golf.

Kalvin 53:29
Not at all. I’m not a golfer at all. And I can tell that. Yeah. So

Jeremy 53:34
I’m, I’m looking forward to the fans being able to see that one.

Kalvin 53:36
That’ll be really good. I’m excited for that. Okay, so let’s talk a little bit about the sin spin offs. You guys have a lot of other channels. What are those? And kind of what went into the development of each one? Why did you think this is a good idea to do this to?

Jeremy 53:50
Um, yeah, so music video sins? What’s the Well actually, if we’re being honest, we did. We dabbled in a thing called brand sins as well remember Branson? Which, which for anyone who wants to know we do not own that channel anymore? I have no idea what they’re doing, if anything, but we did not. I didn’t really fit into our, the tone of our brand. And so we divested of that channel. That was years ago. So music video sins started out. seeming perfect to us because of how absurd music videos are. Of course, we we stupidly thought about music videos from our, our childhood like Take on me by ha and November rain. And we started out sending a bunch of like 80s and 90s ridiculous music videos, which is fine. We that channel grew an audience pretty quick, but over time, we’ve learned that they want they want the new stuff they want. With the latest little NAS x video or the latest BTS video, and the older stuff doesn’t really move the needle, which has been interesting. And then we launched TV sins after that, which is mostly run by Aaron dicer. And Jonathan Watkins and dunay. Hughes, the our three employees. And that channel is still steadily growing, and the TV was hard to get our head around for a while. Because we felt like if we’re gonna send something like Breaking Bad, we have to do the whole thing. And where do we find the time for that? And finally, we just realized, you know, we can probably go one episode at a time people who really know the shows, will understand that and you know, over time, maybe we will send all the breaking bad, but we’ll do it an episode at a time.

Kalvin 55:45
Yeah, I like I like how you kind of jump around between shows on TV sins as well, it’s not, you know, you didn’t do 60s Breaking Bad one after the other, you do a couple of Breaking Bad, and then you move over to Game of Thrones, and then you know, you’ll throw a one division in there, because that’s what’s hot. You know, I, to me, I kind of like that, because that’s how I watch TV. You know, I’m not just watching six seasons of thumb something at one time, I’m watching Breaking Bad I’m watching. This is us or you know, whatever’s on TV. So I think it makes sense to kind of do it that way. you’ll throw in like a Simpsons or Rick and Morty every once in a while. And it’s, I enjoy most of the Big Bang Theory ones because I watched I just I watched all 12 seasons, the last seven are awful, I wouldn’t put it on anyone. And it’s fun to relive those because I’ll never go back and re watch the show. So it’s kind of fun to relive those through sending them.

Jeremy 56:40
Yeah, then that that channel is really data driven more than any of our channels. So we look at, you know what videos we’ve made so far that move the needle. And, you know, our predictions on which shows people want to see sin have consistently been wrong. But the what we call instancing. has worked really well we did it with the Wanda vision where the crew gets up since video for the latest episode within a few days after it airs. And those have been extremely popular. So I think you can look for those to continue. And then just a few months ago, we launched commercial since which is television commercials, which are even more absurd than music videos. And those are really fun. Because you can write an episode in 10 minutes, little bite sized versions of sins videos that are two minutes long instead of 15. And that is it. We’ve got we’ve got four official sanctioned sins channels out there right now. And I would guess it’d be a couple years before we put any other new channels out just because we have to see the growth and see what’s working and what’s not.

Kalvin 57:58
Yeah, it makes sense. I don’t even have a commercial sense. It kind of goes you kind of get to get back to Branson’s a little bit there too as you can you can make some of those jokes that you’d have for Pepsi into a Pepsi commercial now, yes, yes, exactly.

So that works. How do you feel there are some knockoff sins channels out there? I’ve seen what have I seen? I’ve seen everything great about XYZ movie, I have seen somebody who goes and sends your sending of the the movies. So what do you feel about things like that? Have you seen any of those talks?

Jeremy 58:33
I’m the one that I liked the most? The one that I I just think is funny is that is a guy who does since videos for the My Little Pony show, okay. And he calls it cinna mare sins. Because Mayer is a horse. And he actually reached out pretty early on and asked me on Twitter, if that was cool if he did that. And of course, we didn’t have TV sins at the time, but I was like, man, and we’re never going to send those Go for it. Have fun. It’s such a niche. And he still makes them follow him on Twitter, he still makes those videos and loves everything about the ponies and I’m around

Kalvin 59:21
my little pony out there. So you know, there are people like that that’ll never get stale.

Jeremy 59:27
I just think in general it speaks to, it’s hard for me to get riled up in either emotional direction. I just think it’s a sign that we’re succeeding, we’re doing well. There are channels that are either making fun of us or riffing on our style motif. It’s just I try to view that is a sign that we must be doing something right.

Kalvin 59:51
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So let’s talk about mental health and why it’s important and why we should see it in you The media we consume is in your mind, why is it important to advocate for mental health awareness in storytelling.

Jeremy 1:00:08
Um, because there are millions of sleeping cases of anxiety and mental health issues in America that have not been diagnosed. I think that’s why we have to continue to D stigmatize the idea of therapy for years. Even even recently, going to a shrink is the butt of a joke in a movie. Like entourage played all the therapy sessions with Aryan his wife for laughs, there was no good therapy in that show. Right. And, you know, for me, this was my journey, I didn’t know anything about mental health, I just had five nights in a row where I couldn’t sleep and my chest was pounding, and I thought I was gonna have a heart attack. So I went to the doctor, and I’m rattling off all these things I’m experiencing, and she smiles and says, You have anxiety. And I was like, I’m telling you, my, my chest is pounding, I might have a heart problem. She’s like your technical case of anxiety. And it took a couple medications to find the right one for me. But once we found the right one, for me, the difference is so palpable. And as I go through therapy, talking about my life and my past, I can start to see these areas in my youth and in college, where I was very anxious, and it was manifesting in these various ways. But I was undiagnosed, I didn’t know that therapy or medication could have helped me, I didn’t even know I had anxiety.

And I’ve just seen too many people close to me go through the same journey. So I know, I know, there are millions out there specially during a pandemic, oh, yeah, who are wrestling with anxiety and don’t know it. Because it can manifest it does not just always chest pounding. Sometimes it’s extra distracted, sometimes you’re lethargic. Sometimes you have trouble focusing, sometimes you’re irritable. And I think people just chalk it up to mood swings or external factors. So it’s very important to me to be an advocate for mental health. You know, if you do continue reading the abels books, when you get to the third one, I would say 25% of that book is him in therapy, mental health therapy sessions grappling with what being an actual teenage superhero would do to someone’s mind. And then we talk about it on our podcast all the time, I co host Barrett is has years of experience on the clinical side of mental health. And we have a long standing partnership with betterhelp, which is mental health online with licensed therapists, I just every every place that I’m able, I want to make mention of that because we occasionally get messages from people who say, hey, after all you’re harping on, and I finally went to therapy, or I finally got some medication. And it made a world of difference. And I’m telling you right now, that means more to me than however many millions of views the videos get. You know, I’m glad that we entertain people and make them laugh. But I feel like a good human being when I get somebody into therapy.

Kalvin 1:03:35
Yeah, that’s really important. And I think a lot of it comes down to representation in you know, the same way countless minority groups are asking for the same type of representation that people want to see themselves on the screen or, you know, hear themselves. And because with that comes in awareness, I think you hit the head, the nail on the head when he said, you know, mental health issues have been the butt of the joke for so long. And, you know, it’s finally, I think we’re we’re turning the corner on a little bit and we’re becoming a little more woke and that are quote, unquote, woke. And that helps people who are struggling come to terms with their struggle and want to seek help or understanding. Yeah, yeah, same way with you. I you know, I’ve struggled social anxiety my entire life, but was kind of always just Oh, he’s just shy. He doesn’t, you know, he’s not gonna say anything, that that kind of stuff. But really, in the last 10 years or so, I used to work at a at a shelter for troubled youth. And so there were counselors there that I wasn’t actually seeing a counselor, but they kind of pointed out some of these indicators to me. Hmm, and it was like a switch flipped in my head. And I could kind of go back through my past and see like, yep, that’s anxiety. That’s anxiety, that’s anxiety and it all started making sense to me. And you don’t get a chance to see that, like people can’t come to that realization unless they meet someone who knows who they’re talking what they’re talking about. Or see some form of representation. And there’s not enough of that in the media we consume. And, you know, the instances that we do see it are still there still not all the way there yet, you know, but there are there, they’re coming around. And you know, there, there have been things that I’ve watched that that can help with coping mechanisms or help with acceptance, things like that even something, you know, that was as bad at portraying a lot of things as the Big Bang Theory, there was some real good coping mechanisms that could be found by watching that by watching these people who are bad representations deal with their issues, and you know, it, it helped me see that it’s okay to have these problems, you know, people will still care about you and be around you, but also not be a complete asshat. Like the characters on the show are, like, there there is. There’s room for everything there. And that’s important. What are some of the better examples you’ve seen of the portrayal of mental health and awareness in movies or TV?

Jeremy 1:06:02
Oh, man, I’m okay. We have to we have to stay with me on this journey here.

Gotcha. That’s that I’ve seen to date was the first season of stars the girlfriend experience now, this is a very R rated show. It’s about a girl who starts being a call girl essentially for exceedingly wealthy men. And she provides the girlfriend experience where she spends the day with them or what have you. And the show’s fascinating for a number of reasons. I’m not trying to get anyone who’s not into nudity to watch a show with nudity, but this girl, Riley Keough is the actress of the season one, and, you know, this lifestyle messes with her. And she has a panic attack in her law office, which she works after somebody finds out what she does. And it is the most accurate depiction of a panic attack I’ve ever seen.


looks like she’s drowning, suffocating body doubles over onto the ground. I’ve had panic attacks, they’re different for everybody. But, you know, a lot of times movies misunderstand what that is, or go for a more cinematic sort of way to show someone’s having a panic attack. But this, it was powerful man, it moved me. I related to it. And it made me anxious to watch it. Yeah. And it was really, really well done. There are plenty of examples. And it’s getting better. But that’s the best one I’ve seen.

Kalvin 1:07:57
That’s interesting. I’ve never seen the girlfriend experience. I think any movies more so than you know, large budget movies do a good job of in their portrayal of mental health awareness, just because it’s usually the main focus of an indie movie, if if they’re making a movie about mental health, they make it about mental health, whereas big budget movies, they’ll just throw it in as you know, a quirk or half assed stab at representation. It’s not all there always things like The Perks of Being a Wallflower, where, you know, these, you have all these kids that are dealing with their own stuff, but kind of find solace in each other or it’s kind of a funny story does the same thing. And that does an excellent job, I think of showing how a lot of people are dealing with different shit and that there are several ways to cope with that and, and using those coping mechanisms and talking to other people who understand will help you get through it and and that, you know, these, the things you’re dealing with aren’t necessarily the end of the world, even though you make them out to be in your head. A lot of people are doing that. And there’s, there’s places to find solace. I think both of those movies do kind of a good job of showing that. And not necessarily always. You know, you don’t always have to have trauma behind the the mental health issues, right, because I think that’s where a lot of movies go to is, well, this person has anxiety, because x y&z happened to them in the price. And that’s not how it works, right? I mean, it does sometimes, but it’s important to, to show other representations of how that can manifest.

Jeremy 1:09:31
Yeah, absolutely.

Kalvin 1:09:33
What are some of the worst you’ve seen?

Jeremy 1:09:35
Oh, well, I mentioned entourage. Yeah, the bad boys too. I

Kalvin 1:09:41
think, okay.

Jeremy 1:09:44
It’s really offensive. Yeah, they’re making fun of, he’s constantly being made fun of for his mantra. And there’s even a scene when Will Smith Goes To quote unquote, therapy and it’s just a sex scene. So that was one I remember seeing recently. Sopranos is actually really good. I think it was ahead of its time in terms of treating the therapy process as a process right. And not just a scene where you can make a few jokes like, like analyze this. Billy Crystal Robert Tonio movie is really sort of tap dancing on mental health. To be

Kalvin 1:10:25
fully into it, you know, yeah, big actors into it, we’re not going fully into it, because we think that’ll turn viewers for whatever reason. I think

Jeremy 1:10:33
entourage is probably the worst for me. In modern content that I’ve seen where it’s just it’s, it’s just a it’s a scene where they get to make some jokes and let our let our asshole Yeah. Anyway.

Kalvin 1:10:51
I’m gonna stand by the statement any day of the week, I think the Joker was one of the worst portrayals of people with mental health issues, I would argue probably a 15 tweet long rant on Twitter after I watched the movie, and it just, it wanted to say that, you know, you don’t always know what someone else is going through. So tread lightly, but really, instead, it said that anyone with a mental health issue was on the verge of a killing spree at any moment. Yeah, that’s not a good way to portray things, you know, too many different things at the audience. And then it was just like, boom, mental health issues got to watch out. And

Jeremy 1:11:26
there was a good dozen reasons to hate that movie. If you ask me, I’m not a big fan.

Kalvin 1:11:32
So how could movies in your mind do a better job of not only portraying mental health issues in a more realistic way, but then also kind of using their stories to advocate for better services and treatment? Because that’s another place where, you know, the Joker almost hit the nail on the head with with the services are letting this guy down? Yes. But then they ran away from it too quickly. I did. So that’s another thing that I think a lot of people don’t realize is that oh, well, this person is suffering from mental health issues. They just need to get help. Helps. Not always there.

Jeremy 1:11:59
Yeah, no, you’re absolutely right. And there’s a actually a Nashville about a year ago, we just had a center open, that’s basically free mental health care for it’s considered like emergent care, like so what they’re trying to do is take mental health cases that would use to get you tossed in the drunk tank at the jail, and steer them towards actual help. Anyway, um, you know, I think we’re getting close now that the part that he said that I really liked is the, you know, advocating for better services and treatment options that’s going to take longer. But Marvel interestingly with wandavision and with Falcon and Winter Soldier is definitely grappling with trauma head on. And I haven’t seen every episode of both show, but one division, essentially, the whole concept is this trauma that she’s suffered. That has led to the creation of this town. And you know, Falcon and Winter Soldier seems to be leaning heavily into bikinis. What is my identity? been through all of this trauma? How do I find a path to being a good person? I think all that’s really good. I would love to see go Moreover, man, I would love to see a superhero in therapy, man, and yeah, as a joke, not not the way Deadpool would do a therapy, right? Well,

Kalvin 1:13:32
I think Iron Man three was the one where he’s sitting there talking to Bruce Banner in the end credit scene where this is how they they kind of made the joke out of the whole movie. vironment three was in dealing with his trauma, which it was, but then at the end, they throw in the joke of, well, he’s just sitting there telling the story to banner, yeah.

Jeremy 1:13:50
Banner, it’s not a therapist. So I think those Marvel shows are hinting that they may lean into that. And, again, I wrote some superhero dealing with the trauma of their actions into my book, I think that’s, you know, a place that I would love to see, especially now that superheroes are so front and center, right? This is the era of superhero films, the MCU has made certain of that. And so now those films need to represent everyone and we’re getting close to that right, we’re getting the chain G is going to bring the first Asian superhero to the MCU. So I think there are people in charge there that that are trying to move toward representation as much as it’s gonna frustrate those angry white guys out there in America.

Kalvin 1:14:36
The Angry white guys, they can deal. Yeah, I agree. I think it just needs to be more real. You know, not everyone who suffers from mental health issue is on the verge of killing themselves. Not everyone who tries to kill themselves has some abusive past or sexual trauma that that leads into that. You know, not everyone is going to have some big public cinematic freakout. Like you said, you know, the girlfriend experience does a good job. Whereas a lot of movies, they try and make it this big deal where sometimes it’s not like that you’re just alone in a room and the walls feel like you’re closing in on you. Yep. And I think it’s important that they do a better job of showing that therapy is not bad or pointless, or the enemy somehow, like, if you’re going to therapy, you did something wrong. And I thought on TV sins, when they did the second episode of The Falcon in the Winter Soldier, they did a great job of pointing this out, the therapist was never actually providing any therapy. She was just there to jump exposition. Yeah, and I think scenes like that make people not seek therapy because they see this. And it’s like, well, if that’s how therapy works, it didn’t do anything. They just walked out of the room and did the same thing that we’re doing anyways. I think everyday people, you know, they suffer from an array of issues that can be accommodated. And you know, there’s an array of services and coping mechanisms that people just don’t know about. So I think media, it, it should be media’s responsibility at some point to do a better job of portraying the issues in a light that starts a conversation rather than these people are outsiders and they need to be no, absolutely

Jeremy 1:16:04

Kalvin 1:16:07
Okay, I think that’s all we have on mental health. So now we’re on to our last segment, what would you do? And that is kind of focusing on your latest memoir and the evils. You know, what made you decide to make that jump from YouTube content creation to writing books?

Jeremy 1:16:23
Well, I had already written the first tables book, before the YouTube channel. And I’ve always been a writer, I changed what I write a lot when I was young, I wrote songs and poems. When I got to college, and I got the bug for movies, I wrote terrible screenplays. And then I was in a band for a while, went back to writing songs. And then I got this idea for the labels. And it just wouldn’t, it wouldn’t leave. I kept talking about it. And eventually, my wife said, you need to write that it’s not it’s taunting you. And I said, You’re right. So I did. And then the YouTube channel happened. And you know, the early years, I was just thrilled to be able to actually make money making videos. But then as the audience grew, I realized, wait, this, I can maybe tell them about this book, I could self publish this book, maybe. And so that’s, that’s what we did. And then a publisher came along and wanted to pick it up and carry the sequels. And I think that just encouraged me to write more. So I started working on the memoir. I’ve got 12 days left to finish, a murder mystery that I have already sold to the publisher. And I have for the fourth angels book that I have to write. And I have a collection of sci fi short stories that one day, maybe in 2024, I hope to polish up and publish those as well. I think

Kalvin 1:18:01
we’re gonna need what I publish all the poems and songs for when you were younger.

Jeremy 1:18:04
Yeah, yeah, no, um,

I think I’ve just realized through doing this channel that what I really love, both about the YouTube channel, and about being creative is writing. And I’m beyond fortunate to be able to do that, both for my day job with the videos and my side job with the books. And I hope I don’t ever take it for granted.

Kalvin 1:18:27
That that’s very interesting, because I’m kind of the same way I’ve always had this itch for writing in the back of my head, I have no, you know, I didn’t go to college for writing or anything like that. But same as you. I wrote little dumb songs, poetry when I was in middle school, high school. And then, you know, I, every time I’ve, I’ve found myself a free time, I’ve found myself trying to start a different writing project, never a novel or anything like that, anything long term like that. But then other things have always trumped it. And I think it’s interesting of how that content creation always just kind of itches at the back of your brain, like when you know, you’re doing other things. But there’s this other thing that you want to be really working on. And I think that’s, that’s an interesting place to come from, and to want to go. I guess the last thing I’ll ask is, do you have one good piece of advice for anyone who wants to create content and do it well

Jeremy 1:19:28
be embrace failure? embrace mistakes. This goes for YouTube content, any other kind of content, and I would give the same advice for life.

Kalvin 1:19:42
Don’t be afraid to suck.

Jeremy 1:19:43
Don’t be afraid to suck because nobody gets it right. The first time out of the gate, except for the exception to the rule. Everybody fails. Everybody falls, everybody stumbles. And if you don’t give yourself room to do that, then you’re going to give up too soon and too. We’re really, and we tried for almost a year. And we had four different channels that we started that all failed spectacularly before we hit this one. So don’t give up. But more importantly, embrace the failure because that’s how you learn. Nice.

Kalvin 1:20:17
Thank you. Thank you for joining me today. Do you want to give one last plug about you know, all the stuff you’ve got going on? in case people haven’t picked it up throughout this entire episode?

Jeremy 1:20:26
Sure. Um, I’ll just say my my next book is a memoir humor book called Original Sin comes out on May 18. It’s on Amazon and Barnes and Nobles website. And you can find me at Twitter at Jay Scott, TN. And thank you for having me on the show. Thank you for putting mental health talk in the show notes means a lot to me. And I’ve had a really good time.

Kalvin 1:20:54
All right. Well, I appreciate you coming by. Thanks again.

Jeremy 1:20:57
Thank you.

Kalvin 1:21:01
Thank you again to Jeremy for joining me. On this week’s episode about cinema sins, you can check out everything cinemasins on YouTube, and there are also some links in the show notes for this episode. Again, you can follow me on twitter at APA something and the usual co host Nick on twitter at alone underscore podcast. And be sure to check out at magic three TV pod on Twitter for my next podcasting venture where I will be starting to show the magic numbers three when it comes to TV where we discuss only season three of various shows. So that’s coming up in August or September of this year. We’ll be transitioning over to there. So thank you for listening again. Check out everything cinema since it’s a really great channel. And thank you always do those cats for providing the music for a podcast about something

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